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This event has already received a lot of press, but I should mention it here just in case anyone isn't aware of it: On February 4th, Bill Nye (yes, that Bill Nye) will be holding a public debate with Answers in Genesis' president Ken Ham. The debate will take place at the Creation Museum, and will be about whether or not evolution is a viable biological model.
Even though Bill Nye has the facts on his side in this debate, many people have expressed concern that he's still going to do poorly. I share this concern. I know from experience that debating with creationists requires more than just a familiarity with evolutionary science in general—it also requires a familiarity with the other side's arguments, and the arguments used by sophisticated creationist organizations such as Answers in Genesis are often quite technical. Ken Ham has devoted most of his career to arguing against the evolutionary perspective, while Bill Nye does not have a similar amount of experience arguing against creationism.
This video, a 2003 debate between Kent Hovind and Matthew Rainbow, should be a cautionary tale for anyone who believes that knowledge about evolutionary biology is the only thing needed to win a debate against a creationist. This video is linked to much more often by creationists than by supporters of evolution, and it's easy to understand why. Despite Rainbow's obvious knowledge about biology, he clearly was not as well-prepared for the debate as Hovind was, and watching the video it's hard to avoid the conclusion that it was Hovind who presented his ideas more effectively.
Some people commenting on the upcoming debate, such as Jerry Coyne, have argued that it doesn't really matter whether Bill Nye or Ken Ham ends up being the winner, because the scientific question of evolution versus creationism is already settled. But this perspective seems to overlook the debate's real purpose. The reason Bill Nye agreed to this debate isn't because evolution needs additional scientific support; it's because around half of people living in the United States are creationists. Many creationists will be watching this debate, and if Bill Nye argues his case effectively, he will have a greater opportunity to win their support than anyone has had in a long time. On the other hand, if Ken Ham is able to effectively counter Nye's arguments, people watching the debate who have not yet made up their minds will be far less likely to eventually accept evolution.
As someone who used to work for a natural history museum that was perpetually short on money, I have an especially intimate understanding of the fact that science does not operate in a vacuum. In the long term, the survival of any field of science depends on its public support. The children and teenagers who will be watching this debate are the same people who, in thirty of forty years, will be deciding whether to donate money to fund evolutionary biologists' research; who will be serving on school boards that decide whether or not to include evolution in their curriculums; or who will be serving on juries when curriculums that include creationism are challenged in the courts. It's entirely possible for an area of research to simply be starved when its public support runs dry, regardless of its scientific status, as happened to research about the heritability of intelligence in the 1950s and 1960s.
About a month ago, I offered Bill Nye some of the unpublished material from Emily's and my book, which is focused on criticizing the arguments used by Answers in Genesis. However, he never got back to me, and someone else I know who's more closely involved in the debate has told me that Bill Nye isn't interested in receiving help from outsiders. I apparently don't have the opportunity to offer him help myself, so all I can do is hope he's aware of how high the stakes are in his debate, and what the consequences will be if he fails.
Even though Bill Nye has the facts on his side in this debate, many people have expressed concern that he's still going to do poorly. I share this concern. I know from experience that debating with creationists requires more than just a familiarity with evolutionary science in general—it also requires a familiarity with the other side's arguments, and the arguments used by sophisticated creationist organizations such as Answers in Genesis are often quite technical. Ken Ham has devoted most of his career to arguing against the evolutionary perspective, while Bill Nye does not have a similar amount of experience arguing against creationism.
This video, a 2003 debate between Kent Hovind and Matthew Rainbow, should be a cautionary tale for anyone who believes that knowledge about evolutionary biology is the only thing needed to win a debate against a creationist. This video is linked to much more often by creationists than by supporters of evolution, and it's easy to understand why. Despite Rainbow's obvious knowledge about biology, he clearly was not as well-prepared for the debate as Hovind was, and watching the video it's hard to avoid the conclusion that it was Hovind who presented his ideas more effectively.
Some people commenting on the upcoming debate, such as Jerry Coyne, have argued that it doesn't really matter whether Bill Nye or Ken Ham ends up being the winner, because the scientific question of evolution versus creationism is already settled. But this perspective seems to overlook the debate's real purpose. The reason Bill Nye agreed to this debate isn't because evolution needs additional scientific support; it's because around half of people living in the United States are creationists. Many creationists will be watching this debate, and if Bill Nye argues his case effectively, he will have a greater opportunity to win their support than anyone has had in a long time. On the other hand, if Ken Ham is able to effectively counter Nye's arguments, people watching the debate who have not yet made up their minds will be far less likely to eventually accept evolution.
As someone who used to work for a natural history museum that was perpetually short on money, I have an especially intimate understanding of the fact that science does not operate in a vacuum. In the long term, the survival of any field of science depends on its public support. The children and teenagers who will be watching this debate are the same people who, in thirty of forty years, will be deciding whether to donate money to fund evolutionary biologists' research; who will be serving on school boards that decide whether or not to include evolution in their curriculums; or who will be serving on juries when curriculums that include creationism are challenged in the courts. It's entirely possible for an area of research to simply be starved when its public support runs dry, regardless of its scientific status, as happened to research about the heritability of intelligence in the 1950s and 1960s.
About a month ago, I offered Bill Nye some of the unpublished material from Emily's and my book, which is focused on criticizing the arguments used by Answers in Genesis. However, he never got back to me, and someone else I know who's more closely involved in the debate has told me that Bill Nye isn't interested in receiving help from outsiders. I apparently don't have the opportunity to offer him help myself, so all I can do is hope he's aware of how high the stakes are in his debate, and what the consequences will be if he fails.
New submission guideline announcement
Please note the addition of a new addition to our submission guidelines: from now on we are only accepting submissions that were created by the person submitting them, or that were uploaded with the creator's permission. A few examples of things not allowed under this new guideline:
Renders of 3D models created by someone else. (However, original scenes that use someone else's models are acceptable, as long as the scene was created by the submitter.)
Video game screenshots, unless the screenshot is showing an original scene that was created in the game, such as a reconstruction of a paleo scene or a model created in Minecraft.
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Our Book on Evolution: Signed Copies Available
Just over a year ago, your group admins—myself and Agahnim (https://www.deviantart.com/agahnim)—reached a major milestone in our long-term goal of evolution education and outreach, which served the basis for starting this group over 11 years ago. We published our first book! Published by Inkwater Press and titled God’s Word or Human Reason?, the book has been available on Amazon since January of last year.
I am now offering direct purchases of signed, inscribed hardcovers that are personalized with a drawing of a bird or dinosaur of your choice. They are $40 (U.S. and Canada) or $50 (everywhere else), shipping included. Thanks to my excellent web develope
Paleoart folder full: New folder, Paleoart II
After 11 years of activity, our Paleoart folder is now full to capacity. I have closed this folder to submission attempts and have created a new folder for paleoart, Paleoart II, so please direct all artworks of prehistoric life to this folder and this folder only. Any paleoart submissions to the General Art folder will be declined without comment.
I have added a notice of this change to the rules on the main page, as well as to the description of the full folder (now renamed Paleoart I) to minimize possible misunderstandings.
Thank you to all of our members for continuing to make this group the biggest evolution-themed community on Deviant
Recently expired submissions: please resubmit!
Hi loyal Domain of Darwin followers,
Over the past couple of weeks I have been shamefully neglectful of the group, and stupidly allowed a handful of submissions to expire. Unfortunately, it seems as though most of their notifications have disappeared from my inbox, so I cannot solicit them individually. Therefore, if you submitted something to the group in the past several weeks and it did not get accepted, please resubmit at your earliest convenience! Very sorry once again.
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and in the end, nothing was achieved
the Evolutionist side made it's point clear, and the creationist side did not understand a single word